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	<title>Comments on: Higher Ed: Worth breaking the bank?</title>
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	<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 10:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: betweenTHEears</title>
		<link>http://quarterlifecafe.honadvblogs.com/2008/05/02/college-tuition-worth-the-high-price/#comment-1480</link>
		<dc:creator>betweenTHEears</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 19:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would I spend $60k again for a 1 year (accelerated, non-thesis) masters degree?

Yes. 

Biggest reason? There was a campus golf course...oh...and the academics were amazing. The only thing that bothered me was their weak football team...which...after last season's upset of USC, looks to be rebounding in the right way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would I spend $60k again for a 1 year (accelerated, non-thesis) masters degree?</p>
<p>Yes. </p>
<p>Biggest reason? There was a campus golf course&#8230;oh&#8230;and the academics were amazing. The only thing that bothered me was their weak football team&#8230;which&#8230;after last season&#8217;s upset of USC, looks to be rebounding in the right way.</p>
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		<title>By: Alkatraz</title>
		<link>http://quarterlifecafe.honadvblogs.com/2008/05/02/college-tuition-worth-the-high-price/#comment-1476</link>
		<dc:creator>Alkatraz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 18:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"...you just dropped a 150 grand on an education you could've got for $1.50 late charge fee at the library." ~ Good Will Hunting

It's funny how these Doctors and Lawyers go to school after high school for at least 8 years then they have to work 20-30 years to pay off their school loans and then they get to live their life. But such is life.

Me personally I believe all one has to have is an high school education, the basics. Then on to a school which specializes in your interest and nothing else. But that's just me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;you just dropped a 150 grand on an education you could&#8217;ve got for $1.50 late charge fee at the library.&#8221; ~ Good Will Hunting</p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny how these Doctors and Lawyers go to school after high school for at least 8 years then they have to work 20-30 years to pay off their school loans and then they get to live their life. But such is life.</p>
<p>Me personally I believe all one has to have is an high school education, the basics. Then on to a school which specializes in your interest and nothing else. But that&#8217;s just me.</p>
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		<title>By: Chicken Grease</title>
		<link>http://quarterlifecafe.honadvblogs.com/2008/05/02/college-tuition-worth-the-high-price/#comment-1460</link>
		<dc:creator>Chicken Grease</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 23:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You gotta apply yourself, too.  Have done internships and other experience in the field.  Can't just say, heh, HERE's my sheepskin, now give me something.

I did all that.  Got my BA from UH.  And I ain't depending on mama and papa no more for shelter or food or whatever.  I'll still take a free meal from them, but, I'll take 'em to dinner, too.

You gotta DO what interests you, too, you know?  That's the only way you gonna WANT to put in hours, initially, w/hardly any pay or overtime.  You gotta start somewhere.

I got offers from the mainland AND locally when I graduated.

I liked going to UH-Manoa.  In my day, you worked for your grade (I'm not saying that's not the case now at UH-M; what I AM saying is that I'm glad I didn't attend somewhere where they inflate the grades . . . "oh, you got INTO this institution; you couldn't have possibly earned a C or less.").

I admit, maybe some luck played into it.  But, that doesn't discount hard work.  And, I WANTED to go UH, whoo-hoo, go Warriors (or, ecckkk, Rainbow Warriors at the time; still, I love UH-M).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You gotta apply yourself, too.  Have done internships and other experience in the field.  Can&#8217;t just say, heh, HERE&#8217;s my sheepskin, now give me something.</p>
<p>I did all that.  Got my BA from UH.  And I ain&#8217;t depending on mama and papa no more for shelter or food or whatever.  I&#8217;ll still take a free meal from them, but, I&#8217;ll take &#8216;em to dinner, too.</p>
<p>You gotta DO what interests you, too, you know?  That&#8217;s the only way you gonna WANT to put in hours, initially, w/hardly any pay or overtime.  You gotta start somewhere.</p>
<p>I got offers from the mainland AND locally when I graduated.</p>
<p>I liked going to UH-Manoa.  In my day, you worked for your grade (I&#8217;m not saying that&#8217;s not the case now at UH-M; what I AM saying is that I&#8217;m glad I didn&#8217;t attend somewhere where they inflate the grades . . . &#8220;oh, you got INTO this institution; you couldn&#8217;t have possibly earned a C or less.&#8221;).</p>
<p>I admit, maybe some luck played into it.  But, that doesn&#8217;t discount hard work.  And, I WANTED to go UH, whoo-hoo, go Warriors (or, ecckkk, Rainbow Warriors at the time; still, I love UH-M).</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
		<link>http://quarterlifecafe.honadvblogs.com/2008/05/02/college-tuition-worth-the-high-price/#comment-1453</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 18:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will go even further and say that local parents should save their money and not send their kids to private high schools.  Instead they should opt to send them to the best school a child can get into on the mainland.  I did this and my son went to Har vid.  This opened doors for him in professional school and jobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will go even further and say that local parents should save their money and not send their kids to private high schools.  Instead they should opt to send them to the best school a child can get into on the mainland.  I did this and my son went to Har vid.  This opened doors for him in professional school and jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: mclovin</title>
		<link>http://quarterlifecafe.honadvblogs.com/2008/05/02/college-tuition-worth-the-high-price/#comment-1447</link>
		<dc:creator>mclovin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 14:31:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A UH degree is good enough if one wants to work in Hawaii.  However getting jobs on the mainland is a different story.  Unless the hiring company has a track record with recruiting UH graduates, they may have the perception that the UH grad spent 4 years partying on the beach.  I got my undergraduate degree from UH but it was my masters degree from Stanford that gave me credibility.   One option for students is get your undergraduate degree from UH save some money and then look to get a masters degree on the mainland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A UH degree is good enough if one wants to work in Hawaii.  However getting jobs on the mainland is a different story.  Unless the hiring company has a track record with recruiting UH graduates, they may have the perception that the UH grad spent 4 years partying on the beach.  I got my undergraduate degree from UH but it was my masters degree from Stanford that gave me credibility.   One option for students is get your undergraduate degree from UH save some money and then look to get a masters degree on the mainland.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://quarterlifecafe.honadvblogs.com/2008/05/02/college-tuition-worth-the-high-price/#comment-1446</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 13:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It used to be that you needed a high school diploma to compete for jobs, then it became a college degree. Now you have to have a graduate degree to separate yourself from the pack. How a person sequences these activities is equally important as no one likes to hire a freshly minted MBA with no experience. The legal profession gets it right with their summer intern programs. Surprisingly there aren't viable equivalents in the MBA world. If you are a graduate science major this is also true. The path of choice is often very difficult to determine. Some schools recognizing the difficulties in choosing the right path have created doctoral programs for working adults, executive MBA programs, and night schools for a variety of disciplines. 

A collegiate education is not a waste of money. Everyone in the US should have the opportunity to go to college and a national plan to facilitate it that makes sense and should be found. A well educated public is worth every penny. In this election year I am astounded that not more is spoken about this key national security interest. We are 20 something in the world now in education and that will do more to harm our national security long term than anything else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It used to be that you needed a high school diploma to compete for jobs, then it became a college degree. Now you have to have a graduate degree to separate yourself from the pack. How a person sequences these activities is equally important as no one likes to hire a freshly minted MBA with no experience. The legal profession gets it right with their summer intern programs. Surprisingly there aren&#8217;t viable equivalents in the MBA world. If you are a graduate science major this is also true. The path of choice is often very difficult to determine. Some schools recognizing the difficulties in choosing the right path have created doctoral programs for working adults, executive MBA programs, and night schools for a variety of disciplines. </p>
<p>A collegiate education is not a waste of money. Everyone in the US should have the opportunity to go to college and a national plan to facilitate it that makes sense and should be found. A well educated public is worth every penny. In this election year I am astounded that not more is spoken about this key national security interest. We are 20 something in the world now in education and that will do more to harm our national security long term than anything else.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay</title>
		<link>http://quarterlifecafe.honadvblogs.com/2008/05/02/college-tuition-worth-the-high-price/#comment-1445</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 10:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paying over $125,000+ for a undergraduate degree at any university is a rip off.  Paying over $125,000+ for a MBA at Harvard is worth every penny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paying over $125,000+ for a undergraduate degree at any university is a rip off.  Paying over $125,000+ for a MBA at Harvard is worth every penny.</p>
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		<title>By: just an opinion</title>
		<link>http://quarterlifecafe.honadvblogs.com/2008/05/02/college-tuition-worth-the-high-price/#comment-1444</link>
		<dc:creator>just an opinion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 02:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it was an interesting article and  shows that many universities and colleges are becoming cost-prohibitive to many high school graduates.  many opt for the local or state university because it is affordable and parents who foot the bill often times see it as something that is "worth the investment."  i know of parents who would rather break the bank and send their kid(s) to a private high school with the condition that they go to uh (unless they can get a free ride somewhere else) rather than pay for a mainland college that's going to run you at least $40,000 a year.  mainland colleges are pricing themselves out of the market for us hawaii folks.  and who knows if the so-called better education is worth it.  

i teach middle school and i tell my students, education is personal.  what you put into it, is what you get out of it.  you can go to an ivy league school and party for 4 years and get a so-so education or you can go to a way cheaper school and work hard, take challenging classes, and meet others and get a great education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it was an interesting article and  shows that many universities and colleges are becoming cost-prohibitive to many high school graduates.  many opt for the local or state university because it is affordable and parents who foot the bill often times see it as something that is &#8220;worth the investment.&#8221;  i know of parents who would rather break the bank and send their kid(s) to a private high school with the condition that they go to uh (unless they can get a free ride somewhere else) rather than pay for a mainland college that&#8217;s going to run you at least $40,000 a year.  mainland colleges are pricing themselves out of the market for us hawaii folks.  and who knows if the so-called better education is worth it.  </p>
<p>i teach middle school and i tell my students, education is personal.  what you put into it, is what you get out of it.  you can go to an ivy league school and party for 4 years and get a so-so education or you can go to a way cheaper school and work hard, take challenging classes, and meet others and get a great education.</p>
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		<title>By: naminori</title>
		<link>http://quarterlifecafe.honadvblogs.com/2008/05/02/college-tuition-worth-the-high-price/#comment-1443</link>
		<dc:creator>naminori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 17:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Richard:
May 2nd, 2008 at 5:11 pm

The USA Today article is extremely interesting and well-worth reading. My comments: I work for the State of Hawaii, where many of our secretaries (”administrative professionals”) have college degrees, so if you’re looking for a leg up, even at this level, you better get that degree.

Secondly, our new head football coach, who supervises less than 100 students and athletes, is making over $1 million dollars a year, while Governor Lingle, who is in charge of more than 40,000 people, makes one-tenth of that. Does that make sense? In the meantime, UH is in disrepair, needing over hundreds of millions of dollars to fix.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

University football coaches make a lot of money because they bring in more money into universities through the football games. Hence you have to spend money to make money.

As for UH being in disrepair, UH kept bitching about autonomy from the state during the '90s. UH then got autonomy, and then that foolio Ben Cayetano cut the funding to the University. I believe UH also owns a lot of bonds and they have to wait until the bonds maturate before the money can be released for repairs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Richard:<br />
May 2nd, 2008 at 5:11 pm</p>
<p>The USA Today article is extremely interesting and well-worth reading. My comments: I work for the State of Hawaii, where many of our secretaries (”administrative professionals”) have college degrees, so if you’re looking for a leg up, even at this level, you better get that degree.</p>
<p>Secondly, our new head football coach, who supervises less than 100 students and athletes, is making over $1 million dollars a year, while Governor Lingle, who is in charge of more than 40,000 people, makes one-tenth of that. Does that make sense? In the meantime, UH is in disrepair, needing over hundreds of millions of dollars to fix.</p></blockquote>
<p>University football coaches make a lot of money because they bring in more money into universities through the football games. Hence you have to spend money to make money.</p>
<p>As for UH being in disrepair, UH kept bitching about autonomy from the state during the &#8217;90s. UH then got autonomy, and then that foolio Ben Cayetano cut the funding to the University. I believe UH also owns a lot of bonds and they have to wait until the bonds maturate before the money can be released for repairs.</p>
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		<title>By: JMAW</title>
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		<dc:creator>JMAW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 10:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the standpoint that degrees are like water.  Completely agree, more worse for me since I have a BA in Religion.  I no like preach so...   

The thing that made college worth it for me was all the other experience, actually that was the real learning for me as I wasn't the most focused student for my undergrad. The training in life skills I got from paying my own way to school, dorming, working in the dorms, etc. was key.  So in that regards it was well worth it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the standpoint that degrees are like water.  Completely agree, more worse for me since I have a BA in Religion.  I no like preach so&#8230;   </p>
<p>The thing that made college worth it for me was all the other experience, actually that was the real learning for me as I wasn&#8217;t the most focused student for my undergrad. The training in life skills I got from paying my own way to school, dorming, working in the dorms, etc. was key.  So in that regards it was well worth it.</p>
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